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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:26 am 
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Before I vote tonight I wanted to get more info on the rule changes to the Ultralight GT changes. To me it seems the rule change is to specifically rule out the RC390 from racing. Are these bikes "cheater" bikes? Are people gaining any advantage switching over to this bike? I'd hate to stop people from racing if they bought that bike specifically to race but I don't want everyone to have to go buy one just to stay competitive.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:40 pm 
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The 390 is not excluded. It's only 373.2 cc.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:04 pm 
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crash wrote:
The 390 is not excluded. It's only 373.2 cc.


This is correct.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:43 pm 
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Nope.. Just trying to phase out the 250s. Haha

Joking! Joking! :-)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:53 pm 
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Interesting.. Why change the rule then?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:55 pm 
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There were two separate classes, a 250 only class and another class that 250s were also allowed in that included the 300, 320, and 390. It's just a case of combining all of those similar bikes into 1 class which would keep a larger grid. It passed by the way, but you know that because you were there. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:21 am 
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Magruder13 wrote:
Interesting.. Why change the rule then?


Way I see it is it's the evolution of the light weight bike racing. 250GT was set up to give 250 racers a platform to race against other 250s on a level playing field. Modifications were restricted and the racing was super tight and exciting. With the introduction of the 300 and RC390 the ULGT class was formed to give those racers a place to race. Grids have been declining in the 250GT class since half are racing ULGT and the other staying in 250GT.

We've all seen this year that the 250s are still beating 390s and can be competitive so it makes sense to combine the class. Rules that passed last night also allow the R3 to race in ULGT and restricts boring out the cylinder on the 390.

2016 will not have a 250GT class.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:02 pm 
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So does this mean 250's can be modified with bigger carburetors/engine modifications? I was wondering why I didn't see the 250 class in the book this year, but I'm definitely stoked for a larger grid size.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:12 am 
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So does this mean 250's can be modified with bigger carburetors/engine modifications? I was wondering why I didn't see the 250 class in the book this year, but I'm definitely stoked for a larger grid size.


Yes.


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Firstborn wrote:
...I'm definitely stoked for a larger grid size.


Agreed. Larger grid sizes will be awesome, although this rule change has effectively eliminated any "budget" racing class. Dont get me wrong, I know you have to "pay to play", but if you want to be competitive, you cant get by on a sub $3000 bike in this class, anymore. Kind of a shame, I think, but thats the evolution of the class and it IS always good to be moving forward.

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green_bread wrote:
it IS always good to be moving forward.


Studies have shown that bikes that go forward are the fastest ones around the track. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:02 am 
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With the availability of established 250 race packages for sale on a regular basis, the current class structure should produce plenty of good racing between $2,500 to $10,000 lightweight bikes.


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SJH wrote:
With the availability of established 250 race packages for sale on a regular basis, the current class structure should produce plenty of good racing between $2,500 to $10,000 lightweight bikes.


Ok. You go hop on one and lets see how competitive you are against built 300s, R3s, and 390s that are putting down close to 50 hp at the wheel. :lol:

I was told the 250 class was created as more of a "budget" class and the rules that were agreed upon were to help keep costs of that class down. All Im saying is that doesnt really exist, anymore, when youre allowing engine modifications to be done to these bikes. I get that "racing aint cheap", but at least with the 250 class it was cheap-er. The amount of money being dropped on these bikes now that the rules have opened up is getting crazy.

Notice I said "UNDER $3000", where youre talking about bikes up to $10k. Thats a pretty large difference in investment just for club racing. Not all of us have people that build/provide bikes for us to ride and would like to be competitive without spending $10k.

Like I said, I get that the class is evolving. Personally, Im not a big fan of HOW its evolving, but that doesnt mean I wont still participate.

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remember these words: only a 48 hp ktm 390 will be competitive in this class, everything else is a waste of time


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Maybe we need to add an unmodified 125 class? Groms and Kawis for a 6 lap endurance race? :)

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genosr1 wrote:
remember these words: only a 48 hp ktm 390 will be competitive in this class, everything else is a waste of time


:mrgreen:


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crash wrote:
Maybe we need to add an unmodified 125 class? Groms and Kawis for a 6 lap endurance race? :)


That would take an hour at NCM...


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crash wrote:
Maybe we need to add an unmodified 125 class? Groms and Kawis for a 6 lap endurance race? :)


I would absolutely love this, except every skinny/short rider would have a huge advantage.


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DCMoney wrote:
crash wrote:
Maybe we need to add an unmodified 125 class? Groms and Kawis for a 6 lap endurance race? :)


That would take an hour at NCM...


No kidding. Even in the LW race, we only turned like 9 laps at NCM. Haha! I am always up for some Grom racing, though!

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remember these words: only a 48 hp ktm 390 will be competitive in this class, everything else is a waste of time


What is the point you're trying to make, here?

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green_bread wrote:
What is the point you're trying to make, here?


I think he's saying everyone should race an RC390?


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