Magruder13 wrote:
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You can use track-day lap times as qualifying times to grid them. Heck, you can do that for everyone for that matter...
Other than the cost and work involved in keeping track of everyones lap times, why don't we do this already? You could have it where the last track day session before the race is your chance to qualify, if you don't part take you're automatically put in the back of the grid.
If someone would be willing to come and volunteer their time at every event looking over T&S then make the grid sheet I think it could work. It would have to be best time throughout the day (before your race). Most of our CR's (if not all) are also racers and it could be difficult for them to do their job as a CR and get in a few good laps to qualify with if only given 1 session.
raven21 wrote:
If combining expert and amateur counts for contingency grid spots im game for it as long as they are still allowed to run whatever color number plate as they are classified as with other orgs. I hate to see some of the 390 guys swapping plates between weekends to race with 2 orgs.
Agreed, if combined (most likely won't happen) the way I see it as long as your number is visible at speed you can run whatever color plate you want. Would affect GT/GTL guys that also run CCS WERA etc when 250GT was the only class didn't matter what color plate you had. If 250GT goes away ULGT number plate won't matter any longer.
green_bread wrote:
I believe it isn't done now because of when the grids are posted. The amount of time it would take the timing and scoring folks to come up with a grid based on those lap times, then get the grids posted would put the posting right before the race. I think they try and post them an hour before the race to give people ample time to check them and know their starting positions. I don't expect the T&S people to work through the lunch break, either. Just like most other stuff being discussed, it's all about time constraints.
One other thought on combining expert/amateur races. Think of the MotoGP format where you have factory/satellite/open classes. They all run together and are on vastly different bikes. There is one podium, but there is also a points chase for top satellite and top open. Basically, three different championships being run off of a single race/points. Not saying this is a perfect system. Just throwing it out there as an idea for discussion.
I like this idea but at the same time racers would want to know who they are really racing against and we would be back to a AM/EX race.
Noidly1 wrote:
exalted512 wrote:
Now to save time, I'm all for combined races -- even with one wave starts. Put 3-4 rows between experts and novices and let them all start out at the same time. I actually prefer this for a few different reasons. If you have small expert grids, it might help some of the slower experts be able to have some fun racing some of the faster novices. The faster novices will also benefit to be able to catch a tow from some of the faster guys - and will also help those novices dip their toes into expert racing instead of just being 'thrown to the wolves'. I know it's helped me tremendously when I've raced in some combined expert/novice grid races as a novice.
-Cody
Hey now, Don't bring me into this...
I know I'm a mid-pack expert rider and don't need to be reminded... LOL
Seriously tho, If you have a 1 wave start and keep experts up front, where they should be, and amateurs in back, and scored separately I don't see a problem. Expert grids are usually small anyway so there won't be too many bikes on grid. As for the fast amateurs, grid them ahead of the slower ones. You can use track-day lap times as qualifying times to grid them. Heck, you can do that for everyone for that matter...
Our races are already combined Amateur Expert, and what you put describes our current race format.
Magruder13 wrote:
Hey guys, tell me your thoughts on this, why don't we do some races Saturday and different ones on Sunday? How many people run Saturday and Sunday vs one day or the other? Grids might be more full and we can free up track time? Trying to put some outside perspective into this. Please don't hate me!
Right now most of our racers race both days, some even both classes (GT and GTL/or 250GT) both days. I don't think racers would like only getting to race once per weekend. I know I wouldn't.